Mosiah 18:9 - Yea, and are willing to mourn with those
that mourn; yea, and comfort those that stand in need of comfort, and to stand as a witnesses of God at all times and in all things, and in all places that ye may be in, even until death, that ye may be
redeemed of God, and be numbered with those of the first resurrection that ye may have eternal life
The Second Coming of Jesus Christ is an event that many Christians throughout the world are fully aware of and often discuss. However, there are components that not all Christians are aware of. Did you know that the Savior will make several appearances before His Second Coming to all the world. Modern day revelation teaches us the following:
#1) Appearance at Adam-Ondi-Amhan
Christ will come in private to his prophet and to the apostles then living. Those who have held keys and powers and authorities in all ages from Adam to the present will also be present” (Bruce R. McConkie, The Millennial Messiah,578–79).
“Daniel in his seventh chapter speaks of the Ancient of Days; he means the oldest man, our Father Adam, Michael, he [who] will call his children together and hold a council with them to prepare them for the coming of the Son of Man. He (Adam) is the father of the human family, and presides over the spirits of all men, and all that have had the keys must stand before him in this grand council. This may take place before some of us leave this stage of action. The Son of Man stands before him, and there is given him glory and dominion. Adam delivers up his stewardship to Christ, that which was delivered to him as holding the keys of the universe, but retains his standing as head of the human family” (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 157).
#2) Appearance at the New Jerusalem (Western Hemisphere)
Christ's next appearance will be to the righteous Saints who have gathered to the New Jerusalem (all land west of the Missippi River). In this place of refuge they will be safe from the wrath of the Lord, which will be poured out without measure on all nations.
#3) Appearance at Jerusalem (Eastern Hemisphere)
“[Christ’s] next appearance [after his appearance in the New Jerusalem] will be among the distressed and nearly vanquished sons of Judah. At the crisis of their fate, when the hostile troops of several nations are ravaging the city and all the horrors of war are overwhelming the people of Jerusalem, he will set his feet upon the Mount of Olives, which will cleave and part asunder at his touch. Attended by a host from heaven, he will overthrow and destroy the combined armies of the Gentiles, and appear to the worshipping Jews as the mighty Deliverer and Conquerer so long expected by their race; and while love, gratitude, awe, and admiration swell their bosoms, the Deliverer will show them the tokens of his crucifixion and disclose himself as Jesus of Nazareth, whom they had reviled and whom their fathers put to death. Then will unbelief depart from their souls, and ‘the blindness in part which has happened unto Israel’ be removed” (Charles W. Penrose, “The Second Advent,” Millennial Star, 10 Sept. 1859, 583).
#4) Appearance to the World at His Second Coming
“The great and crowning advent of the Lord will be subsequent to these two appearances [to the New Jerusalem and to the Jews]; but who can describe it in the language of mortals? The tongue of man falters, and the pen drops from the hand of the writer, as the mind is rapt in contemplation of the sublime and awful majesty of his coming to take vengeance on the ungodly and to reign as King of the whole earth.
"...it will be an event that will be seen by all—all flesh shall see the glory of the Lord; when he reveals himself the second time, every eye, not only those living at that time in the flesh, in mortality on the earth, but also the very dead themselves, they also who pierced him, those who lived eighteen hundred years ago, who were engaged in the cruel act of piercing his hands and his feet and his side, will also see him at that time” (Orson Pratt, in Journal of Discourses, 18:170).
“At the time appointed by the Father, the Son of Man will come in the clouds of heaven. It is an unknown day in the beginning of the seventh thousand years of the earth’s temporal continuance. War, such as has not been known from the beginning of time, is in progress. All nations are assembled at Armageddon.
“All things are in commotion. Never has there been such a day as this. The newspapers of the world, as well as radio and television, speak only of war and calamity and the dread that hangs like a millstone around every neck. …
“And the signs in heaven above are like nothing man has ever seen. Blood is everywhere; fire and vapors of smoke fill the atmospheric heavens. No man has seen a rainbow this year. …
“And above all are the vexing words of those Mormon Elders! They are everywhere preaching their strange doctrine, saying that the coming of the Lord is near, and that unless men repent and believe the gospel they will be destroyed by the brightness of his coming.
“In this setting, as these and ten thousand like things are in progress, suddenly, quickly, as from the midst of eternity, He comes! Fire burns before him; tempests spread destruction; the earth trembles and reels to and fro as a drunken man. Every corruptible thing is consumed. He sets his foot on the Mount called Olivet; it cleaves in twain. The Lord has returned and the great millennium is here! The year of his redeemed has arrived!” (McConkie, Millennial Messiah, 21–22).
“When the Lord comes in his glory, in flaming fire, that fire will both cleanse the vineyard and burn the earth. In that day, so intense shall be the heat and so universal the burning, the very elements of which this earth is composed shall melt. The mountains, high and glorious and made of solid rock, shall melt like wax. They shall become molten and flow down into the valleys below. The very earth itself, as now constituted, shall be dissolved. All things shall burn with fervent heat. And out of it all shall come new heavens and a new earth whereon dwelleth righteousness” (McConkie, Millennial Messiah, 526–27).
Who Gets "Raptured"?
So, just who will be caught up to meet him when he comes? Many Christians speak of a rapture in which the righteous in Christ will be taken from the earth and spared the destruction that comes upon the wicked at His final coming. This is based on the scripture 1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
In Latter-day Saint doctrine, we refer to this event as the Resurrection. We believe that the righteous will remain on the earth during the tribulations but many will be protected through their faith and power of their covenants. The Resurrection then precedes and heralds in the Second Coming and the destruction of the wicked. The Faithful Saints or "First Fruits" on both sides of the veil will be caught up to meet the Lord when he returns. They will descend with Him upon the earth at His coming.
“Christ’s, the first fruits—who are they? They are all those who were with him in his resurrection. They are all those of Enoch’s city, a righteous people who first were translated and who then gained full immortality when Christ rose from his tomb. They are all those of ages past who have burst the bands of death. They are the living saints who are quickened by the power of God and are caught up to meet their Lord in the air. They are the righteous dead who shall come forth in this, the morning of the first resurrection, to receive an inheritance of eternal life and to be one with their glorious Lord. All these shall have an inheritance of exaltation in the highest heaven of the celestial world. All these shall ‘behold’ their Lord’s ‘face in righteousness,’ for they shall ‘awake’ with his ‘likeness.’ (Ps. 17:15.)” (McConkie, Millennial Messiah, 636).
Many Latter-day Saints are familiar with the promise of coming forth in the morning of the First Resurrection. This is a promise I have personally received in my own blessing. Just what does it mean? And will all good people who believe in Christ be caught up to meet him when he comes? The following is from an article on LDSLiving.com
Elder Bruce R. McConkie of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles wrote, “Nothing is more absolutely universal than the Resurrection.” Though all people will be resurrected (1 Corinthians 15:22), not all will be resurrected at the same time. Technically speaking, there are four resurrections.
The Morning of the First Resurrection: This resurrection began with Christ’s Resurrection and will continue in and through the Millennium. This resurrection is reserved for those who have lived righteously. It is reserved for those who are destined to be heirs of the Celestial kingdom. (The covenant makers and keepers who have remained faithful and endured to the end). Those who sacrificed, and devoted their time and talents to building up the Kingdom of God.
The Afternoon of the First Resurrection: This resurrection starts once the Millennium has begun and will carry on throughout the thousand years of the Millennium. It is reserved for those who have lived good lives but were not necessarily valiant. Those who strayed from the covenant path or never walked it. This resurrection is reserved for those who are destined to inherit the Terrestrial kingdom.
The Morning of the Second Resurrection: This resurrection begins at the end of the Millennium. It is reserved for those who have lived sinful lives, for those who have lived contrary to the dictates for their conscience and the promptings of the Holy Spirit. Those who come forth in this resurrection will inherit the Telestial kingdom, the lowest of the three degrees of glory. Those who inherit this glory will not spend eternity in the presence of Satan and his minions. However, they will be eternally shut out of the presence of God and Christ.
The Afternoon of the Second Resurrection: This resurrection will take place after all others have been resurrected. It is reserved for the sons and daughters of perdition, for those who will spend eternity with the devil and his angels because, in mortality, they did the work of the devil and his angels. It is the only one of the four resurrections that provides its recipients with no glory whatsoever. Hence, the eternal abode for those who come forth in this resurrection is known as “outer darkness” (Alma 40:13), where God’s light never shines (D&C 88:6–13).
Thus, what does it mean if your patriarchal blessing promises you that you will “come forth in the morning of the First Resurrection”? One stake patriarch suggested that it means you will be resurrected “at the first opportunity you are able to be.” It certainly means that if you are true to your covenants, you will be exalted. It is the promise that, through your faithfulness and through Christ’s Atonement, you are going to make it to the celestial kingdom, where you will preside over your posterity for eternity, doing what God does, because you will have become what He is. Could there be any greater promise that God could make to any of His children?
This was posted in a facebook group and then almost 24 hours later, the link to the original source was no longer working and the story had disappeared. It was thought that the elder who wrote it was asked to take it down as the nature of it is very personal and the sister missionaries are known to the public through the news story. I was able to find the story here in a reddit post and have pasted it below. It's the exact story I read before the link was taken down. Here is a link to the news story as well. This story was published on KSL a couple of weeks ago.
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Hey everyone!
For those of you who don't know, and even for those of you that do know, I'd like to talk about the Sisters that got stabbed in my mission.
They are my friends. I was in training with one of them in my first area for about 5 months. I know her very, very well, and this has been soooo hard. Just hard. I cannot express the pain this has brought me, other missionaries, and both of those sisters and their families. It sounds so foreign and distant until it happens to a friend. Or a brother. Or a sister. Or a daughter.
It's very, very real now.
I'll say what I know though, for the express reason that it has built my faith completely, and my faith in the savior has only increased because of this trial.
So the Sisters were stabbed in the middle of the night by an invader inside their apartment. The man came in at 4AM, removing his shoes to be quieter, and grabbed a knife out of their kitchen. Then he walked into their bedroom and started stabbing both sisters.
Both sisters had to go to the hospital, because each was stabbed multiple times, and were in the ICU for about a week, and now both are returning home from their missions to heal where they may or may not return to missionary service.
Now let me talk about some of the miracles involved though...
First, neither sister was stabbed anywhere their garments covered. It was not touched.
One sister did have her garment shirt roll up in the night, and she was stabbed in her side.
Second, after their parents were notified, their fathers were there 3 hours after the stabbing.
Third, the sister that got stabbed in her side was stabbed in her hands and her feet as well. One hand was stabbed completely through to the other side...
In a very, very literal way, she now has wounds in her hands, feet and side to match the Savior's.
The same sister shared her testimony about how she now feels closer to her savior than ever before. She feels like she was given this so she could more fully witness of the suffering the savior had to go through for each of us. She told us all that she had completely forgiven her attacker, and she was grateful for the miracle that both Sister's had been given.
Her wound in her side was really bad, but she shared with us that in her setting apart blessing she was blessed that if she was obedient and kept the commandments, she would be safe, and even the "very organs of her body would be kept safe." She told us that if the knife in her side had turned one way or the other in any direction, she would have bled to death and they wouldn't have been able to save her.
Fourth, when the Sisters were being attacked, they tried to fight back against him, and they prayed. Both sisters remembered praying, but the Hermana that I was friends with recalled saying a prayer, and as soon as she finished, she made eye contact with her attacker and said, "Stop right now and leave this apartment."
After she said that, the attacker dropped the knife, turned around, and walked out of the apartment.
I witness that the power of the ministering of angels is real, and the priesthood power is just as accessible by women acting in faith and righteousness as it is to any worthy man that holds that priesthood.
Fifth, when our mission president heard that the Sisters were in the hospital, he knew he needed to get there as soon as he possibly could. He called a STL in their apartment complex and asked her to talk with the police and find out which hospital they were admitted to.
But since time was of the essence, he and his wife prayed together, got in the car picked a direction and started driving. Not knowing beforehand where they needed to go.
When they got the address to the hospital, they were only two minutes away.
Brothers and Sisters, I know that these things could only have happened by the power of God. There is no other possible explanation. And I'm so glad to be in a place where I can witness these things and bring them to you.
I testify to each of you that the Lord will make good on his promise, and he will always "consecrate thine afflictions for thy good." (2 Nephi 2:2)
I know that it does not matter where you are and it does not matter who you are. It does not matter what the circumstance is. It does not matter if you think you have fallen out of the reach of God (because you haven't). It does not matter if you think that miracles only come sometimes and God is more subtle than bold and real. It does not matter if you think God is punishing you for some misdeed.
It. Does. Not. Matter
I promise you, that God will act boldly, and he does. God has said, "Behold, I am God. And I am a God of Miracles, and I will show unto the world that I am the same yesterday, today and forever. And I work not among the children of men, save it be according to their faith." (2 Nephi 27:33)
If you think miracles won't come, then they won't. If you say, "well that's a cool story, but it doesn't always happen like that," then it definitely won't to you.
There's a reason Jesus could not do miracles in Nazareth.
I know God is real, and he will bring us unto him, and no matter who you are. He will protect you, he will love you, and you will always be safe from harm, as long as you faithfully look to him to rescue you.
I accidentally left out a clip of this video, so I included it in a separate video down below. Would love to hear your thoughts and any additional insight you have on the topics in the video. So much to ponder! 💛
This weekend I plan to add some more posts to this blog related to this video, check back later!
Here's a hymn I wrote and submitted for the new hymn book. It's not a professional recording (we just recorded it from our phones), but I wanted to share it. Details about the song and recording are in the video description. ❤️
A friend of mine who lives in Missouri (who I'll keep anonymous), recently went on an amazing church history tour. She had some fascinating insight and I have her permission to share. I've pretty much just pasted our conversation below for you to enjoy.
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(Friend)
Ok, some write up about impressions and things learned on the church history tour last week. Brother B. is in our bishopric and president of a historical society for early church history out here. The counsel for it is made up of people from both the LDS church and various other offshoots.
He said there were over 800 offshoots of the church, 200 of which still survive today. There's great mutual respect and a shared appreciate for the early history of the church, as each shares that. They all bring different perspectives to the table.
Hiram Page - I don't remember his history very well, except that he was the one who thought he was receiving revelations through a seer stone for the church, and a revelation was given through Joseph that only the prophet could do that, and Hiram was being deceived (it's in the D&C). He ended up leaving the church.
As Brother B. said, many RLDS descendants around today have explained to him that the feeling is their ancestors felt the church left THEM. Those that went out to Utah were called "Brigham-ites". Those that stayed felt Joseph Smith had named Joseph Smith III as successor, and did not practice plural marriage. I actually even just read that two of Joseph Smith's sons (Alex & David) went to Utah to serve missions! Alex got into quite the heated public debate with Joseph F Smith over doctrine while there (they were both in their 30's - Both born at Far West and the debate drew quite the crowd because Hiram & Joseph's sons were together again). It got heated enough that Joseph F. Smith called Emma some bad names, and Alex got quite offended and defended his mother. It ended the debate and Alex went packing home. So, for those that didn't go to Utah, there has been a very different perspective of themselves being "The Church" and those that went to Utah being the offshoot branch.
With that in mind for Hiram Page - another thing happened. The church moved on without them, evolved, received further revelation, etc, and they felt abandoned by the church. A lot of the earliest members especially felt hurt they didn't have higher positions in the church as it progressed since they had been part of it since the start. Hiram Page was one of the Eight Witnesses of the BOM, and this is some of the sense Brother B. got about him and others leaving the church.
Hiram Page ended up leaving the church and having a farm in Missouri (Clay or Ray County area). No one in the church knew what happened to him until recently.
They have tried to put up monuments for each of the BOM witnesses at their grave sites, and his was one that they couldn't find for years. Through some miraculous turn of events, they were able to find out that he died in a farming accident and was buried on his property. One of his descendants found the burial place and contacted Brother B's organization. They got a marker put up and Brother B. marked the grave with stones from his own garden wall.
Eagle Scouts came out to do their service project out there to make it nice for people to stop. And because Hiram Page died outside of the church, he did not have anyone with the priesthood to dedicate his grave. So Brother B. dedicated it with the scouts and said it was a really neat experience.
Again, I don't know much of Hiram Page's story, but as soon as we were approaching his grave, this giant rainbow appeared in the sky. It stayed the whole time we were there and left after we left. I took quite a few pictures with it in the background. And two different times, had a sacred and peaceful feeling come while there.
The impression I had was he had come back to the fold, and all was well again. There just seemed to be a happy feeling there about it all. I thought that was neat.
The second interest to note is about Far West. If standing in the parking lot, if you look across the street, Southwest direction, you'll see a grove of trees. Joseph Smith's house was just on the other side of that grove of trees.
Apparently there is an event in church history with Joseph Smith came face to face with the adversary. It was at that home in Far West. Apparently his son had a big headache or something, and Joseph came and blessed him and the headache left right away. It soon came back, was blessed away again. And a third time with the same results. This happened numerous times. Finally, Joseph inquired of the Lord as to what was happening, a vision was opened to him and he contended with the devil face to face. "He said it was his house, it belonged to him, and Joseph had no right there. Then Joseph rebuked Satan in the name of the Lord, and he departed and touched the child no more." (This event is recorded in Heber C Kimball's biography).
Brother B. then talked about another interesting thing that came up there in Far West that may tie to that incident.
Years ago, David O McKay made a trip there with Alvin R Dyer of the First Presidency. While there, Alvin R Dyer extended his arm to the little small knoll on the south, just beyond the gates and said, "And right there is the spot where Cane killed Abel." 😳 President McKay confirmed what he said was true. Thus there, at Far West, were the first oaths made between Satan and man and that whole wicked works started. Satan has had great hold upon this area since. And thus, there has been quite the fight for this land.
It brought to mind something told to us after we moved here. A member of the stake had come to visit to give my husband a calling. He asked if we'd had our hardship hit yet. We were surprised, but confirmed we'd had quite a few financial issues come up since coming. He nodded and shared what had happened to him when he moved here. I'd heard others mention similar stories. He said that the Stake President said that Satan fights against any new saints moving here and does not want more of the Lord's people to come here. It generally lasts a few months for everybody when they first get here, where they go through some hardships and set backs.
It has often amazed me that of all the places the Saints went to build up Zion in the early days, they ended up with some of the roughest "lost souls" America had to offer here in western Missouri. So it was interesting to hear that there has been quite the battle for this land since the beginning of man really.
I also wondered about the temple spot being called holy Ground before it was even dedicated or set apart as a temple space. I wondered what had happened there to make it holy? I do wonder now if one of the early alters was there for Adam's sons to offer sacrifice?? I don't know. Brother B. said he had not come across info about any church leaders saying one way or the other. I had the name Noah come to mind that one time. So it could be many things.
What also stood out to me - not long after leaving there, we passed a grove of trees on the left, and Brother B. slowed his car down, called me and pointed it out, saying it's where David W Patten died.
David W Patten was the first martyr of the church. He led the rescue for some LDS men who they were told were captured by the mobs. (I believe the result was the Battle of Crooked River??) He ended up dying later from the wounds in a cabin near Far West, in the grove he pointed out to us.
What struck me about this - how interesting that the first matyr of mankind (Abel) was so near the place where the first matry of the latter-day church happened as well (David W Patten). There are some parallels there.
A friend had joined us with her family. She gasped at the info shared about where Able was killed as well, and what came to her mind was the role this area had in the United States joining the United Nations. She lives near the Independence sites right now and has explored them quite a bit. She said Harry S Truman is from the area and is the one who signed the treaty putting us into the united nations, he was instrumental in arranging it. There's a statue commemorating it out here. It just seems some of the adversary's plans are hatched out here. And it made more sense understanding the background of what happened here so long ago, and why a fight is put up to have the Saints come back and reclaim these areas for the Lord.
Last thing that stood out to me - we went to see where D&C 105 was given during Zion’s Camp. That’s not far from our home and significant to me, as that section is what gave us one of the big answers to move forward with trying to buy this home.
As we were approaching the site, we turned on to a street whose name really stood out to me - Salem! I pointed it out to my husband and explained it was a reference to the Savior, Jerusalem and Peace.
We soon saw the road Salem runs right through what was Zion’s Camp! That seemed symbolic to me.
Later in the tour, Brother B. quoted a general authority as saying in a recent conference that Zion’s camp was the second most important event in the church, after the First Vision. Reason being it united the Brethren, put them in a position where they were willing to die for one another and the cause of building Zion, and trained and pointed to the Q of 12 and future church leaders.
The next day, I was listening to Tim Ballard’s book, Pilgrim Hypothesis, and wouldn’t you know - he was talking about Salem! The East Puritan settlement. What he said seemed to parallel Zion’s camp so much to me, that I went back and listened a few times to copy down what he said:
Zion’s March & Pilgrims
Historian Perry Williams said about the Puritan settlers: “Winthrop believed their errand was not a mere scouting expedition. It was an essential maneuver in the drama of Christiandom. The Bay Company was not a battering remnant of suffering separatists thrown upon a rocky shore. It was an organized task force of Christians, executing a flank attack on the corruptions of Christiandom.
These Puritans did not flee to America. They went in order to work out the complete reformation which was not yet accomplished in England and Europe.” They often called their leader, Winthrop, Nehemias Americanus - referring to the ancient Hebrew king that led the Israelites out of Babylon back into the promised land, rebuilt Jerusalem, and inspired his people to return to their national covenant.
The Puritans named one of their first towns Salem - which has its root in the word Jerusalem and translates from the Hebrew word meaning “Peace”
They called their colonies the “New Jerusalem” and believed they were fulfilling prophecies concerning the last days. The tapped into the ancient covenants, for the enlargement and restoration of the Gospel.” (End quote)
Wow!! All of that paralleled Zion’s Camp and the importance of it so much! A latter-day Hebrew King (Joseph was later crowned King of Israel), bringing the Lord’s Covenant people out of Babylon and “restoring Jerusalem’” - both figuratively with the people and literally with the New Jerusalem - and bringing Israel back to their covenants. Just as Nehemiah did, and just as Winthrop was trying to do.
All the quotes - so much parallel!
And D&C 105 is so interesting - it talks about the New Jerusalem, and also to “lift up the ensign of Peace” - Peace - Salem! Name of the road!
The map - so here you can see the site where Zion’s camp was (in red) and how it’s just off the road, Salem. Section 105 background says Joseph received the revelation on the banks of the Fishing River - there on the right of the road Salem is the river! It’s one of the forks from the Fishing River. It’s amazing to me that a road now parallels that river called Salem, especially with all that section 105 talks about! That cannot be mere coincidence 😊
And to clarify some things I wrote after reading back over them - The impression I had was Hiram Page had returned to the fold and all was well between him and the church in the spirit world. There was very much a feeling of sacredness to the site that touched me a few times, and a sense of appreciation for what had been done for him there (burial site, site dedicated, etc).
And Zion’s camp - the quote about the puritans not being a mere scouting expedition, but an essential role in the drama of Christiandom - Zion’s camp was the same. It was one of the most important events of the church - and thus Christiandom and the full restoration. Only they were literally fulfilling last day prophecy in restoring Jerusalem.
(My response):
I was fascinated with this history, when I visited Missouri last year. Most of the friends I met, belonged to the various offshoots. The couple I stayed with said that their little branch/offshoot and dwindled down now to just about 8 people. It made me wonder how they don’t see that as a sign? You look at the “Brigham-ites” 😄 and see how the Church now covers the globe and has billions of dollars, meets with diplomats, and helps the world. You see these other little offshoots who are dying off and going bankrupt. Just so interesting!
(Friend):
Yes! I thought the same thing. The RLDS Church (community of Christ) is something like 70 million dollars in debt right now, most of it the retirement or pensions owed to their employees. They have sold a lot of properties to the church, but still run them. Brother B. hadn't heard of the sales I’d heard about, but did confirm the church gave the RLDS church 10 million recently to help keep up the Kirtland temple. They also used some kind of metal that leaks for their temple in Independence and it’s in desperate need of repair. They tried to sell it to the church, but asked too much money and the church walked away. The church does own the parking lot for their temple though 😅
And yes, comparing how the churches have done financially is fascinating. Didn’t a report come out this year about the church having $100 Billion tucked away?? That floored me! They have been blessed in both gathering funds and knowing how to manage them.
(Me):
Yes, you are right. Billions. And just that our church is growing and flourishing and theirs seems to be dwindling. The lady I stayed with told me how their Community of Christ church gave the women priesthood and allowed gay marriage because they didn’t want to lose even more members. That’s when even more break offs happened. She then broke off and they started a new branch and now that’s down to about 8 people. I asked if I could go with her that Sunday because I was curious, and she told me I would be bored and unimpressed and that I should find an LDS meeting house and attend. That’s when I contacted my friend and she gave me that amazing tour of Farr West and other sites. I felt something special about Farr West. We visited the little white church across the street and they gave us a tour and told us all about their history. I had no idea about Satan having the land and Cain killing Able there. But I remember hearing that the land Adam and Eve dwelled in, spread out for miles and miles. There was just something about Farr West, I could feel it. I remember you mentioning Noah and that area.
(Friend):
Oh wow. That’s really interesting about the split off church down to 8 people! There’s a small town called Kidder where we did some co-op classes, and there’s still a split off branch of the church there too, also down to a handful of people.
One thing I also found interesting is Brother B. has an original Book of Mormon collection with rare copies. He wanted to show it to us and was very excited about his newly acquired “Whitmer-ite” Book of Mormon someone had gifted him. There were only 200 copies made.
I didn’t know what the Whitmer-ites were (though can guess as many of the Whitmers left the church). But he told us that under the direction of President Frederick M Smith of the RLDS, they did a re-translation of the Book of Mormon! They have in fact done so many re-translations at this point, that their BOM ended up 200 pages longer than ours. It starts with the same first verse, but then goes off from there!
The Whitmer-ite Book of Mormon was a re-translation of the RLDS church’s original re-translation 😜. Apparently a few of the off shoot churches did that! So interesting!
I do remember touring the building while doing my semester in Nauvoo at BYU. They played beautiful organ music in the center, and served coffee in the lobby. I remember there being artwork everywhere - but it was of such dark and grotesque things. Focusing on starving children and wickedness around the world. Causes their charities work with. But, it left such a cold, dark feeling to look at. It felt like such a contrast to me from our temples - where the artwork inspires hope, faith, and feelings of the Spirit. They concentrate on the beauty of an area, history, moments of faith and of course on Christ.
The other thing they had there were a lot of pictures of women giving priesthood blessings, and “Q of the 12” that were women. I could see members splitting off as they adopted philosophies of the world. The United Methodist church has done the same recently, and factions are forming and starting to split their church as well over the same issues.
The other thing I remember is the tour we were given by a member of the RLDS church. They kept referring to Joseph Smith going to the groves or a sacred experience, but wouldn’t say what it was. I raised my hand and asked what they thought happened in the Sacred Grove. He said, “Well, everyone has their different opinion about what he saw. There’s no official stance on it.” 😳
He also referred to Joseph Smith as writing the Book of Mormon. I again asked if he meant “translated” the Book of Mormon, and he again said, “Well, everyone has their own opinion about that as well. It’s up to members if they want to use it as scripture or not.” Again 😳
I wondered how people could follow church leaders that had no real stances on anything, especially fundamental founding principles of a church. I guess if the BOM has been added to, taken away from and changed so many times by their leaders, it would lead to people no longer feeling the book was inspired.
The other thing that stood out to me was finding out how their “General Conferences” are run. I asked about that, and he described the great debates that would happen with various parties within the church yelling at each other over how to run the church and next steps to take. He described it as very exciting and similar to a law-making council in government, only more lively. My jaw just dropped. I know General conferences in Nauvoo were filled with inspiring talks from the leaders, not meetings of debate. Where did they get that from?
In conclusion, our semester director (Brother Larry Dahl is you know him from publications, he was the leading historian for the church at the time). He let us see and explore it all, then gathered us on the temple grounds. I remember him pointing back to the RLDS temple and said, “They are wonderful people doing much good in the world, and it’s a beautiful building. But they have no idea what to do with it and what a temple is for. They do not have the saving ordinances a temple is built for.” That has stayed with me.
I’m so glad that you were able to take that tour with your friend! What a kind thing to take you around to the various sacred sites.
When he told us and showed us the spot where Cain killed Abel, I felt tingles up and down and a strong spirit of confirmation. Talking with my friend after and she did too! It was a really interesting experience.
Looking at the scriptures surrounding that event, it has made me wonder if the Abel being martyred there may have made it holy ground as well. Much as we travel to the place where Joseph and Hyrum were martyred and there is a feeling of sacredness for the sacrifice given there. Perhaps it is the same with Abel’s place of martyrdom.
There are two different scriptures that note about his blood crying from the ground, and the earth receiving his blood.
I recently listened to a Hugh Nibley lecture about the events following Cain’s murder of Abel - how the ground was cursed and he was cast out to the East. Because he and his descendants could not farm, they became nomads, following herds to hunt and forming big cities where they could create business, banks, etc. the other descendants of Adam stayed in the hills and mountains, farming and having flocks. That pattern has followed the Lord’s people vs Babylon’s institutions throughout time. Interesting that even today, the headquarters for Israel is now in the tops of the mountains! And how farming and having flocks is still a strong part of the LDS people and many who came from the British isles. So, it was interesting being there in the hills and seeing where that early separation started.
Also another interesting side note - I’ve always wondered if the Nephites were in this area and if it’s spoken of in the BOM. I still haven’t found any identification of this area being mentioned (though 2 hours east of here was identified as the City Manti in BOM by Joseph Smith). I do remember he also identified a “Nephite alter” that was at Adam-Ondi-Ahman when the saints first got there.
But on the tour I learned of other evidence they were here. On the tour, Brother B. talked about Wayne May giving a 3 hour lecture out there, and then taking Brother B. around to various archaeological sites out here. He took him to a mound just south of Far West and identified it as from the final days of the Nephites, around battle Cumorah time period. He said he’s seen enough of the mounds to recognize what time period the mounds are from, and this one marched that time period. I thought that was pretty interesting! Brother B. showed me where it is on a map and which road to take to go and walk on it and explore it, so I am looking forward to doing that.
(Me):
I think if I remember correctly, the RLDS believed in handing down the mantle from father to son. Eventually someone only had daughters and maybe that’s when they decided to allow women to have the priesthood. I had heard that before (they stopped doing a father to son mantle, and the church presidents were no longer from the Smith family).
(Friend):
I watched a movie the other day made by the descendants of Joseph & Emma. It was about what happened to Emma after the martyrdom, and told both perspectives - the perspective the LDS church has and the RLDS church. It was fascinating.
Something I noticed is that experienced everyone had where they saw Brigham take on the mantle of Joseph Smith, and felt confirmation from the Spirit that he was the new prophet - Emma skipped that meeting. She didn’t experience seeing or feeling that. And she already butted heads with Brigham quite a bit.
The other person I know that skipped the meeting was Lyman White. He left the church as well and took a branch of saints down to Texas’s. Joseph had sent him years earlier to scout it out as a possible place for the saints, so Lyman was convinced that’s where Joseph wanted the Saints to go. The place he took his off-shoot branch was in my stake in Texas. A few generations later, the branch rejoined the church and their descendants were in my stake. So I grew up seeing plays done and hearing stories about their experience. The institute director always noted that if Lyman had been at that meeting like he was supposed to be, he would have been able to receive confirmation like everyone else that Brigham was the new prophet. He wasn’t there, and he didn’t receive it. So, that came to mind seeing Emma chose not to go as well.
One thing the RLDS church believes is that Joseph gave his oldest son a blessing saying he would be the successor of the church. This came up in the movie as well.
Funny enough, a month or two ago, a President Hinckley talk came up on YouTube that I felt to watch. It felt random at the time, but addresses this subject directly, and that this was NOT the case. If this is a topic being covered in any future videos Lindsey, this would be a good talk to review. The church obtained the document and President Hinckley did a really good job addressing what was actually said and meant by the Prophet Joseph Smith.
While watching the movie, I still could not understand the choices Emma made to stay behind. And continually, she chose to not do what Brigham asked her to (various legal matters with the properties of the church under Joseph’s name - she ignored counsel and did her own thing instead, which ended up meaning most property was lost to the state, and then she refused to give the translation of the Bible over when asked, which is why the RLDS church owns it today, and there were some other papers of Joseph’s she wouldn’t give over either. She really butted heads with Brigham (A LOT, lol).
Anyway, so I’m watching this, still struggling to understand her view point to not go West. She said she prayed about it and didn’t get a confirmation to go or to stay, so she stayed. She said she was tired of running (though staying behind meant she and the children had to flee and hide many times because the mobs wanted to kill Joseph’s whole family. It wasn’t until she married Bidemon that she really finally has security and rest from the mobs).
So, I’m watching this, and the drama many in the Smith Family had of thinking they were supposed to be in charge of the church (Joseph’s Brother, William, also caused a lot of drama on this subject), I had the thought that maybe they stayed behind to help prevent that confusion from going to Utah. Once in Utah, there was never a question if Joseph’s offspring should be the next prophet or someone else. All of that ended when they left Nauvoo. So, maybe the Lord felt it best to keep their family behind and bring them back into the fold a few generations later? Just a thought that came.
More from the church history tour:
He also took us over to the south just a bit, halfway between the temple lot and a line of trees where the Missouri armies camped. The extermination order had been in place, Hahn’s Mill massacre had already happened, and two thousand Missouri militia had approached and camped just outside of Far West. They had enough to wipe it out completely, as they had Haun’s Mill. The saints were terrified. Joseph and Hyrum and a few others wanted to talk it out on middle ground, and their safety was assured to just go talk a truce.
But, when Joseph got to the middle ground area, they immediately arrested him, shoved him into the muddy ground and said they would kill him in the morning.
All night, he lay there, face down in the mud with Hyrum. It was October and cold. It was in an open field with no shelter. The kids and I immediately were like - “The Coyotes!!”
The next morning, Alexander Doniphan was ordered to kill Joseph for treason, and he refused. He told the higher ranking man that it was wrong and that if he had Joseph Smith killed, he’d hold him responsible for murder before a court, or court marshaled or whatever.
It saved Joseph’s life that day. Instead, he was transferred to Richmond (a town we’ve been to many times to get some of our chicks) . Thats where he had that moment where he stood up in chains and rebuked the guards for all the terrible things they were saying.
Then the next day he was transferred to Liberty Jail and we know that story.
Alexander Doniphan became Joseph’s lawyer for the next 5 months while in Liberty Jail. You can see more details about all that in that movie I recommended, Out of Liberty.
Joseph and Emma named their son that was born in Far West after him - Alexander Hale Smith. In his 30’s, Alex made a trip to Utah with brother David to serve a mission and try and rescue some of the “Brigham-ites”. It didn’t go well.
Spot where they tried to kill Joseph. I didn’t notice until sharing this with my mom today - note the day they tried to kill him. October 31st!!
This was maybe a 100 yards from the far west temple site. Isn’t it interesting that right near the location where the first murder happened, Satan tried to arrange the martyrdom of Joseph Smith to happen as well - on oct 31st of all days. Only confirms to me once again that it is not a day to celebrate his kingdom.
(Me):
That is crazy about October 31st and his almost killing. It's truly a day of blood sacrifice. Makes me wonder if it was around the same date/season for Cain and Able? I know their calendar was not the same but there has to be a reason why Satan originally chose that date. Maybe it honors that first blood sacrifice and he has required it every year since. I now on the Satanic holy day website October 31st shows it's a day recognized each year by blood sacrifice.
(Friend):
Lindsey, I had the EXACT same thought about the date for the Cain/Able murder! I didn't mention it because I thought I might be jumping to conclusions. But I think you've summed it up nicely. Just as Rome has required the blood of saints throughout the ages to fuel their power and the strengthen the devil's kingdom, it seemed to me that he similarly wanted blood sacrifice of holy men on these holy lands to give him more power as well. It was a thought I had, which seems confirmed by the points you are bringing up. It makes Alexander Doniphan's role in standing up to those men even more amazing. There's a lot of things named after him out here. Apparently he went on to do other noble and heroic things during the Civil War as well and is well known in this area for those acts.
Another date that stood out to me - did you know the date Joseph and the men left Liberty Jail was April 6th?? That clearly would have been symbolic to them and a message to them that the Lord knew their plight and had a plan. It also makes me think there is quite a bit of significance to the Oct 31st date of the start of the ordeal if such a big date was when the left the jail.
So, I went to see the date John Pratt has assigned to Abel’s death. He thinks the equivalent of our 6 April 3873. But....that doesn’t seem to fit the pattern. April 6 is a day of birth and redemption. Not a day of power for the adversary.
I tried plugging into his calculator to see that same year, but Oct 31, 3873. That was a day called “4 skull” on whatever ancient calendar he was referring to (I think Mayan). It notes it was a day that represented death, and a day a business closed its doors. In Hebrew, that date corresponds to 1 Tebeth, The Winter Solstice “when the sun dies and the day is shortest in length”. If that is the date Able died, it does seem it would be very symbolic, to die on the longest day of darkness, a day that represented death on Other cultures calendars after that.
That’s interesting, because Joseph Smith was born the day after the Winter Solstice of 1805, in the morning hours. He was literally born as the new dawn broke after the longest day of darkness of the year. It was hugely symbolic of the light he would return to the earth after the longest darkness it had experienced.
As a side note, I think you know John Pratt left the church a few years ago, following after Denver Snuffer’s movement. Which has been a shame because his past 20 years of articles before that has some neat insights on significant dates for sacred events and better understanding constellations relating to Israel (instead of Roman gods). He now publishes articles about why he likes these other off-shoot groups. Which means I haven’t been to his site in forever. The old articles have good info though and I wanted to find the calendar calculator. It basically compares our modern dates to a bunch of ancient calendars to give the equivalent.
While looking up the date calendar, I saw an article he published recently about his latest adventures and read it. Apparently there is a man in Brazil who claims to be the prophet Joseph Smith reincarnated and translating sealed portions of the BOM! You can’t make this stuff up you guys! I’d heard reference to the man claiming to have the BOM down there a few years back, but not the reincarnated part. John Pratt went down to see the man and speak at his conference on multiple mortalities because the man said his congregation needed to understand that “doctrine” for the “restoration of the church he was leading to continue”. (Insert giant eye-roll here. Of course he needs them to believe that to believe his claims). John Pratt was baptized into the man’s church while down there. They call themselves The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and say they are different because they don’t hyphenate the Latter-Day part, just like Joseph originally did not do. (I wonder if they realize Joseph missed a lot of punctuation in his writings, not purposefully, but because he only had up to a third grade education?? Lol) They claim the hyphen was added by Brigham Young who didn’t have the authority to do so. I was amazed to see he was referring to the early history in this area and the “Brigham-ites” going off to settle an off-shoot group of the church in Utah! That’s amazing that belief held by original off shoot groups are being perpetuated in modern off-shoot groups around the world! Once again, how do you not compare the fruits of the various groups and not clearly see which church still held the authority??
He also has articles posted showing how these modern day translated scriptures he’s reading disprove the heartland model Wayne May proposed 🤦🏼♀️. Well, that’s another witness to take a look at the Heartland model for the BOM if these modern day off-shoot groups are speaking out against it, ha!
I wonder if these off-shoot groups think they have the good “fruits” because they have all these strange “gifts” of rolling around laughing or clicking in tongues for an hour?? Counterfeit gifts. I don’t understand how thrashing around or uncontrollable laughter is seen as a gift? So strange.
